Question: how does NetBSD differ from FreeBSD? Are both forbidding slop code?

I'm thinking of switching from Debian to BSD, but am unsure which one to start doing serious homework on first.

It will need a modern browser like Firefox (or a fork), office suite, GIMP, and VLC. Also need good printer support.

I don't game or have to worry about Nvidia driver issues.

#BSD #NetBSD #FreeBSD #Linux #Debian

#Microsoft Edge now officially supports #openSUSE, #Fedora, #Debian, and #Ubuntu on Linux. Credit where it's due for the support. Trust is earned, not declared. How do you feel about Microsoft browsers on your #Linux desktop? Genuine question. https://www.techspot.com/news/113715-microsoft-edge-now-has-official-linux-support-list.html

The #Signal desktop client for Linux has started becoming really unstable! I'm in #Debian trixie #KDE, wayland. Lots of janky, flickering UI elements. Needs to be restarted.
Signal, surely you've drunk the Koolaid of vibe-coding as well! Not you too! This app has been rock-steady for stability (albeit bloated), for a loong time before now. #Linux #OpenSource

Run #NetBSD 🚩

#noai #antiai #nollm #debian

#CERN Transitioning Industrial Computers To #Debian #Linux After Being A Longtime #RHEL Institution

https://www.phoronix.com/news/CERN-Goes-Debian-Leaving-RHEL

Haack's Networking

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✍️ I've always been struck by the prohibitive cost of software. As a young kid, I remember my father purchased me MetroWorks CodeWarrior for learning C for my LC475 68K mac. I read somewhere in 1992 that I should learn C so that's why I asked for it. Over those next few months, it's hard to explain the frustration I felt at trying to keep the abstractions separated. Open firmware, vs. mac's OS at that time, vs., the IDE and C I was supposed to be learning. It helped at disambiguating abstractions, but was useless at teaching me C. I still suck at C. The package was pretty costly nevertheless.

📻️ While in my early days as a sysadmin, I remember the Adobe suites, Microsoft suites, etc., that we were obligated to keep up to date and purchase for our non-profit. We also had tons of macs, 5 laser printers, early flat panel displays, an early NAS, and a hard firewall (Sonic something). It was not sustainable for this non-profit whatsoever. After the prior Director left - who I still consider a mentor and friend to this day - others took over who made an effort to reduce spending and keep the tech lifts in line with reality. It was slow and painful, but/and I learned that costly is not better.

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#mastodon #matrix #peertube #castopod #navidrome #jellyfin #pixelfed #gitlab #nextcloud #floss #debian #opensource #linux #selfhosted #smallbusiness #educator #education #freesoftware

FYI

The Debian vote on LLM slop AI Code in the project is interesting

The Debian developers have voted on the project's stance regarding content generated by large language models (LLMs). There were eight proposals put forward on the topic of whether to allow LLM-generated content to be included in Debian, ranging from banning all LLM contributions to accepting all AI/LLM contributions. The result of the vote was that option 5 (also called option E) was selected: "Responsible Use of Generative AI", which is summarized as: "Debian neither endorses nor prohibits the use of generative AI tools in the development, maintenance, or documentation of software, packaging, documentation, and other media published within the Debian Project."

Debian Project Leader Lucas Nussbaum expressed regret on the results of the vote, writing: "On a very personal note, I regret that the winning option does not acknowledge all the legitimate concerns around AI: environmental impact, copyright and licensing uncertainty, the health of Free Software communities, and the strain of aggressive scraping on the open web."

At least one developer has left the project in protest following the vote. Antoine Le Gonidec wrote, in part: "I can not support the current decision of Debian about LLM use, and am no longer willing to be seen as a part of Debian under these new rules. Pretending to have a 'neutral stance' when faced with fascism is not neutrality, it's active collaboration.... You can replace me with some agentic AI anyway, so do not even try to pretend you're going to miss me."

Source

https://distrowatch.com/weekly-mobile.php?issue=20260831

#LLM #slop #AI #miscreant #programming #Linux #Debian

New Game : Rock Paper Scissor Debian NetBSD

Rock beats scissors
Scissors beat paper
Paper beats rock
#NetBSD beats #debian

#runbsd

CERN is dropping #RHELL for #Debian. All 2200+ systems by the end of the year.

The reason being is that the "-march=x86-64-v2" compiler flag default as "forced obsolescence" for old hardware.

It's not without headaches, mostly due to "the lack of standard tooling for automated building and publishing of packages - a lot of gaps in the official tooling. There are also a number of tools not supporting multiple versions of the same packages."

https://www.phoronix.com/news/CERN-Goes-Debian-Leaving-RHEL

#linux

Ok, time to branch out in my #HomeServer configuration by switching the media server from #Debian to #NetBSD. (FreeBSD is embracing AI, so bleh.) Looks like the options are #MiniDLNA, which I played with once before, and #Gerbera and #MediaTomb, which I haven't.

Has anyone compared the three, especially on NetBSD, and to you have recommendations? I don't plan to run a desktop environment on the host.

#ThinkPad #Linux #Debian

Just removed from my little profile list of "essentials" and from my last workstation.

The act of doing so does not bring me joy.

#Debian #NoAI #slopOS #ArtificialIntelligence #LLMs #AI #OpenSource #FreeSoftware #FLOSS #FOSS

Warning: Debian 11 Long Term Support reaches end-of-life https://www.debian.org/News/2026/20260831 #debian #bullseye #debianLTS

To all those outraged that developers of various software, distributions and operating systems don't ban LLM-assisted tools:

LLM-free PRs welcome! Be the change you want to see.

In reality the reason developers _choose_ to accept LLM-tool usage is because the tools are good.

#alpine #debian

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Big corporations always ruin things, because they prioritise making fast money over anything, even if stomping on others, whether people or the environment or you name it.

AI companies shouldn't have scrapped the internet from the beginning. If AI as a technology was monitored to grow ethically, we wouldn't be upset now in the FOSS community.

AI models wouldn't have the immense powers they have now, because they wouldn't have stolen all humanity's work. But we always have slow government and parliaments that will act years after the disaster. Even then, big tech lobbying and corrupt money will shut them or slow them strongly.

If AI models were trained on public domain stuff, consent, and experiments with consenting parties, it would have been ethical, along with democratising and decentralising them from the first place. I worry we're heading to a global dictatorship that's in the hand of not the 'elite' as in numbered groups of people, anymore, but in the hands of three or four individuals controlling everything.

#Linux #debian #AI #decentralisation #democratisation #kernel #linuxkernel #ethics

#NetBSD Pros & Cons
#Debian #runbsd

The tragedy of #Debian accepting AI 'contributions' is that, most of the time, you are accepting stuff that:

a) is someone else's code, with all the potential legal issues (hence #NetBSD stance on it)

b) is of a very dubious quality, since it went through an AI blender

Just remember: an 'AI' does not exist and has no concept of code, quality and correctness -- I feel like we will soon see the first CVE with a CVSS 9.99 score in AI supplied slop vile coding due to this.

How can I best yell at #Debian?

So, Debian has fallen, thanks to the (infiltration of?) tech bro supporters. Weren't we supposed to be working/fighting against them? What a truly sad day. How did this happen?

The "social contract" has now been compromised IMHO: It allows for contributing to the destruction of life on our planet as we know it, is generally OK with copyright theft and copyleft whitewashing, and will contribute to the slop-to-code ratio on the interwebs. I would never have imagined this. The social contract felt safe...

I've been most exclusively using Debian from 1998-2016 and considered become a -developer a couple of times.
#debian #demise

｢ What LLMs in Debian development will do, I fear, is eliminate any incentive to scrap boilerplate or reform policies that require a lot of other senseless human effort. If I had had access to LLMs 30 years ago, I might have just had them generate the rules files, replate with complexity. So they will make Debian even more firmly what it is, and ever less likely to explore what it could become ｣

https://joeyh.name/blog/entry/Debian_and_the_sirens/

#debian #llm #aislop #vibecoding #opensource

@ChampersBE I will clarify.

Yes, I am aware that the #Linux kernel and other distros have been using #AI for some time now and in various capacities.

The backlash #Debian is receiving is because it isn't just another distribution. It's one of the oldest, it has a long standing reputation for rock solid stability, among many other strong selling points.

Given the significant and ethical problems surrounding AI, many feel this is a step backwards for the project.

Frankly, Debian has warts and other cultural problems that I would *much* rather see corrected before any AI use is even remotely considered.

Funnily enough, I was never really into #Debian ... I appreciate the quality of the distro, but... I don't know, too many moving parts, I guess.

I will continue supporting #Slackware I'll look into #Guix and, of course, #OpenBSD and #NetBSD as well as #HardenedBSD .

The line is drawn. It is time to choose your side.

It's worth noting that the "Responsible Use of Generative AI" which #Debian voted to accept was largely generated by an LLM.

https://lists.debian.org/debian-vote/2026/07/msg00186.html

Sending good vibes to everyone in the Debian community navigating the recent transitions. If you're using this moment to do a little distro-hopping, consider jumping over to the BSD side. NetBSD offers a completely independent codebase built on a classic, predictable philosophy. You might just find your new permanent home! 🚩💻
#NetBSD #Debian #FOSS #noai #TechCommunity #antiai

With #slopmachines being accepted for contributions to the #Linux kernel and #Debian, it is only a matter of time before computers are no longer useful. We had a bried shining moment in the Sun.

You should know that Linux pretty much runs the majority of the servers in the world, at this point, and Debian is the basis for many of the most popular Linux distributions, including Debian itself, Ubuntu, Linux Mint, and Raspberry Pi OS. Both projects are intent on polluting the codebase with slop.

Listen, folks…
If you're trying to convince people that there are alternatives to #Debian #Linux that aren't using AI, you're probably not going to get far by suggesting distributions that literally have no installer and expect you to install Linux by hand from an empty drive, or that haven't put out updated images in eight months, or that don't seem to explain anywhere on their website or in their documentation what their commitments are in terms of patching security vulnerabilities.

@bazkie

#Debian devs voted to allow responsible use of #AI.

Whatever the heck that means.

I can tell you I am not impressed. It's been my go-to OS since 2006. Every release has been my desktop and lab OS for the past 20 years. It's been the sole distro I have recommended countless times.

While I've been slowly migrating to #FreeBSD over the past year or so (for a variety of reasons), this recent change solidifies my decision to switch.

https://www.fosslinux.com/160593/debian-votes-to-allow-ai-what-the-new-policy-actually-means.htm

Debian developer Antoine Le Gonidec just quit the project over its decision not to ban #LLM-assisted code contributions:

Pretending to have a "neutral stance" when faced with fascism is not neutrality, it’s active collaboration.

AI slop is fascism materialized. Stop it whenever you can!

Source: https://lists.debian.org/debian-project/2026/08/msg00041.html

#aislop #debian #gnulinux #linux #distribution

"… The tone reads as parting-shot venting more than argument. Lines like "Fuck that, I'm out" and "so do not even try to pretend you're going to miss me" signal this is an emotional exit letter, not a reasoned brief — which is a legitimate thing to write when leaving a volunteer project, but it also means a reader shouldn't expect (and won't find) the argumentative scaffolding that would make the fascism comparison persuasive on its own terms.

Net effect for a neutral reader: the letter communicates genuine, strong distress about AI's role in the project, but the specific word choice is likely to read as rhetorical inflation — the kind that risks being discounted by exactly the audience it might otherwise persuade, and that (per the general pattern with this kind of comparison) tends to draw more attention to the word than to whatever substantive concern about LLMs prompted it."

– from <https://claude.ai/share/37457b87-deba-412d-9e62-3beae2bb33df>.

#Debian #retirement #rhetoric #AI #LLM #LLMs #fascism

@jik tone of the message aside. How is #Debian supposed to ban AI assisted coding or only include human generated #code?

I'm not defending what or how the guy said what he said, it was terrible antisocial nerd cringe.

But shouldn't we be focusing on the quality of the code submissions? How much can AI touch code I submitted? If I use it to keep my TODO list or as a rubber duck should my code be excluded?

I'm asking in good faith, not trolling.

1. Debian Developer resigns from the project in response to the recent vote to allow generative AI use within Debian.
2. A member of the debian-devel mailing list sends the message at left in response.
3. I just sent the message at right in response to that.
#Debian #Linux #AI

Alt...

good riddance, antoine the fascist. you love causing damage to the debian project and now you're throwing a temper tantrum like a five-year old child because you can't comprehend the ai evolution. you are nothing more than a deranged person who spits at people's work and expects people to follow their unhinged beliefs, a waste of human space. you are the one who is being fascist here.

Alt...

Either the Debian Community Team officially, on the debian-devel mailing list, states that the message below from David Nickelson violates the Code of Conduct and imposes consequences on him for sending it, or I am resigning as maintainer of apt-listchanges and never again taking on any volunteer role within Debian. My contributions to Debian thus far have been extremely small, and I'm sure they will not be terribly missed. Nevertheless, I will not continue to associate myself with an organization which allows messages like the one below to be sent without repercussions.

I will never understand how the project that respected licenses and trademarks so much that they forked the entire #Mozilla stack to comply ever decided that #AI usage could ever be considered ethical.

I have many machines that are somehow related to @pidgin's development and the vast majority of them run #debian. To keep #AI out of #Pidgin, I now I need to find a new distribution. This is yet another example of me having to pay into the #AI time deficit. 🙄

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Debian%E2%80%93Mozilla_trademark_dispute

#FuckAI

Is there a website that sums up which #linux distros will us #LLM #Ai for their code? I am asking because of the latest news around #debian

So, what is the linux distro to look into, succeeding to debian? I use debian for so long i would prefer not to relearn a new type of wheel..

I want foss, and by the way, how do i know if any of the pending software has ai hiding in it?

Now that the limits and the citadel walls are crumbling.

#debian #linux #ai

That's too bad about #debian. That's all I have to say at the moment.

#ai

I have one machine running #Debian

Soon that will be null

Crap off with your “AI revolution” 💩 🚽

@stux You probably mean #Debian

People are upset about debian but debian would have to reject the kernel to reject LLMs. The fish starts rotting from the head. No distribution will be better than the very kernel it runs. The entire ecosystem is collapsing.

We really do have the 30M lines problem, as Molly Rocket put it. The kernel have always been a single point of failure

We need a standardized SoC (system on chip) with entire system ISA (instruction set architecture). We need operating systems to be a weekend projects. We need thousands of operating systems. We need open source hardware that will enable that.

#debian #linux #kernel #slop #isa #soc #mollyRocket #embedded #permaComputing #retrohardware #programming #operatingsystem #os #device #OpenSourceHardware #OSHW

I've loved #Debian for years. Decades, really. The main reason for that is it's always seemed, to me, to be the best place to actually control and own your own computer.

That trust is gone for me. We can talk responsible, not responsible, whatever. The fact is, LLMs are trained on the hard work of billions of people, and put into a blender and sold back to us. It's more separation of workers from the fruit of their labors, to the profit of capitalists.

That's not even getting into the environmental impacts, the bias in it, etc. And especially not getting into the horrible, HORRIBLE people in charge of it all.

I do not want that on my laptop, folks. I just don't.

There was a sense in the Inkscape project that it should be the developer team that decided what the AI policy should be.

I flatty rejected this.

Because most of the consequences for the project, for our users and for the world have absolutely nothing to do with developing software. It's reputation, risk, relationships and community standards and morality.

The last thing I wanted was important decisions to be pre-narrowed to questions of technical usefulness.

#linux #debian #foss #ai

I'm trying to calibrate my fear on a rather scary scenario in the back of my mind.

At some point, #AI companies are going to start feeling pressure from investors to turn a profit, pressure from regulators to avoid environmental damage, and so on. That'll make them desperate for money.

What if, at that point, they take a bunch of money from nation-state spooks to program their coding agents to insert malware into major #FOSS projects like #Debian and #Linux?

Faz pouco que renstalei #debian no meu desktop. Chateada de ter q ir atrás e aprender outra distro.

🤖🐧 **Debian** توافق على استخدام الأكواد المولدة بالذكاء الاصطناعي! القرار يسمح للمطورين بقبول مساهمات أنشأها AI، لكن المسؤولية النهائية عن الكود تقع على عاتق الشخص الذي يقدمه، بما في ذلك التحقق من الجودة والترخيص.

📖 https://www.masdarx.com/posts/debian-vote-ai-code-allowed-submitters-responsible-schulze/

#Debian #Linux #AI #OpenSource #Programming

'Responsible Use ' for #Debian policy seems to be purely focused on output.

"standards of quality, correctness, maintainability, and legal compliance'

Sad to see big projects missing the opportunity to influence (and lead) standards of responsibility like openness of model, #environment impact any* stake that places responsibility back to builders (not just users).

https://www.phoronix.com/news/Debian-Votes-Responsible-AI-Use

#AI #OpenSource #ResponsibleAI

@sunnydeveloper is your assumption that developers will begin behaving irresponsibility following the vote that favours responsible use?

#Debian #AI #LLM #LLMs

so i have questions about #Debian:

1. are members ONLY developers?

2. only developers argued for/against #LLM #AI?

devs are the last people who should be involved in discussions about the ethics and legality of software. ie:

just reckoned, when a court recently decided you can't claim #copyright on #aislop, it didn't occur to me it means both closed and open copyright.

so, if using LLMs trained on works stolen or added without consent removes any claims of #FLOSS: what is Debian now? …🧵

So now that #Debian is using #AI, what OS would you recommended to a friend coming from Windows who doesn't want AI?
*The friend is me. I've been using LMDE for a year now and I'm looking for alternatives. Still not a programmer but I enjoy using Linux.

@eco_amandine

1. try <https://codeberg.org/ethical-foss/open-slopware#operating-systems>

2. I can not recommend ethical-foss/open-slopware

3. you can ask why I can not recommend it

4. et cetera

#AI #Debian